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I said, “I think they'll meet at two o'clock. Suppose you come over at two o'clock and if the board isn't meeting, I'll be there anyhow and will meet you.”

At about two-thirty or three she arrived. The board was in session. I had told them a little earlier that Mrs. Rosenberg was in town and with a perfectly straight face I said, “She's arrived this morning and she will join us this afternoon.” So they knew she was coming, but they went on with the business and took up various things. They were making their plans for who would see whom, which employers' organization Gerard would go to see, which Charlie Hook, and so on.

I had explained this business of Mrs. Rosenberg to Swope and Davis. I hadn't been able to explain it very well, but I had done it by long distance telephone. I didn't tell them the President had ordered it. I just said the pressure was so strong that it had had to be. I think I had told Davis that the President had said it had to be because Bob Wagner's pressure was too great. I let Swope know that it was Bob Wagner's pressure. I didn't describe anything else about it.

What interested me was Mrs. Rosenberg's entrance into this meeting in the afternoon. She was very much dressed. She had a very pretty dress on, a very smart dress, with





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