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in the educational field. Of course, she did have a social point of view, I suppose. I was willing to admit that, but I couldn't see any purpose of her being on the commission.

I said to Mr. Baruch, “Well, I just don't see the sense of it.”

“Well,” he said, “I think she'd be very good and I think you should have her.”

I said, “You know, we have to be very careful about spending money. It doesn't look very well to be sending everybody.”

“Well,” he said, “I've cleared this with the President. The President would be very much delighted if you would do it. He'd like it very much if you would.”

He talked quite a long time on the long distance telephone and I wasn't able to overcome his suggestion. I said, “I'll certainly give it some consideration, Mr. Baruch,” just to bring the conversation to a close, “although I really don't see the point of it.”

I was pretty well dumbfounded when I hung up. I thought that was about the poorest piece of business that I ever heard of. I tried to figure out Marion Dickerman? Baruch? Marion Dickerman undoubtedly wanted to go and undoubtedly wanted to be noticed, as I've learned more and more about her. I realize that she's the kind of person who had always been