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would all agree to, that we got to the situation that laid the basis for his growing suspicion of Senator Wagner, Richberg, and me, which up to that time hadn't begun. That was when the National Labor Relations Act was being worked over, and that, of course, was toward the end of '34, - toward mid-summer of '34, I suppose. At that time we got our most serious dose of his total incapacity to understand what was going on and therefore his total incapacity to agree to anything.

What we had in mind at that time was a ruling that was not to be a law about setting up a labor relations board in the NRA. We wanted to set up a labor board in the NRA on a stronger basis and with certain delegated powers and authorities to take the place of the committee that Johnson had appointed very early in NRA, of which Senator Wagner was the chairman. So it was really not the thing that became the final National Labor Relations Act that we were discussing, although it grew into the act, but a process of setting up in the NRA a board with teeth in it having to do with labor relations.

I discuss this particular situation because so much distrust stemmed from it. Wagner had been very insistent that his board be given more power and more teeth. In the spring or summer of 1934 Wagner had come