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was a period of great confusion because, in spite of the fact that the President had told them to get together, there was still a lot of separate conferring and jockeying for position, as to whether, “We get this....,” or “You get that....”

I think Donald Richberg was the person who eventually undertook the responsibility for the draft of the NRA bill. We hit upon the words the National Industrial Recovery Act as being descriptive of the purpose, rather than descriptive of the method. When I say that I think Richberg undertook the draft, I'm subject to correction on that. It may have been somebody else, or a group of others. Rifkind certainly had a big hand in it, but that would be as representing Wagner, working with Richberg. Lubin had a hand in it. Charlie Wyzanski had a hand in it. He was solicitor of the Department of Labor, but he always has said that he didn't have much of a hand, “because I was regarded as junior by the others and they overrode my ideas.” Wyzanski is now a federal judge, by the way.

I'm approaching here a very delicate situation and I'm not positive I have the sequence of events correct here. I think I have, however. As I said before, I regarded it as primary that we include public works, either as a separate bill, or as a requirement of this bill. Lewis Douglas was opposed to having anything about public works in it at all.