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younger group, of course, but he was a friend of some young friends of mine. So when he came down to Washington just fresh from Harvard, being sent to try out his wings in the newspaper business, I was very polite to him because he was a young man I had known.

He was very fresh. He got an interview with Alfred Sloan once by making Alfred Sloan think he was Arthur Sulzberger, the publisher of the Times. It was during this same strike. Of course, he was very young. He wasn't dry behind the ears, as they say. He was very enterprising. He called up Alfred Sloan in the midst of this. Sloan was protecting himself and wasn't seeing anybody, wouldn't allow anybody to come and see him, wasn't talking to anybody, but he extracted Sloan's private telephone number from somebody. He called him him up. The butler or the secretary answered and he said to tell Mr. Sloan that Mr. Sulzberger of the New York Times was calling. Cyrus told me that he didn't lie. After all, he was Mr. Sulzberger. When somebody questioned him he said, “Oh, Mr. Sloan knows Sulzberger of the New York Times.” Arthur Sulzberger had been playing Sloan's game for him in all the publicity. Sloan had complete access to him and was always telling the publisher of the Times just how bad all these New Dealers