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that therefore they continued to stay. When I said “therefore they continue to stay,” that made him mad, because it appeared that I was saying. “Naturally they wouldn't leave the factory. You wouldn't expect them to leave the factory.” I shouldn't have used the word “therefore.” I should have said, “Following the employers' refusal to meet them and deal with them, they have continued to stay in the factory,” which is all that “therefore” meant in my recollection. But I saw that Garner was getting angry at the situation. He was offended, though he wasn't angry at me.

I then sent on to tell them what the Department of Labor had done - that we had sent conciliators in there immediately, that we'd had no advance notice of any such action as this, but that our conciliators were attempting to make some arrangements between the men and the employers to agree, urging the men to leave. I said I had been in touch with Governor Murphy and that Governor Murphy was attempting, through all of his influence in the state and through all of his agencies, to persuade the men to leave the factory and to persuade the employers to make an agreement with them and to meet them right now.

Garner then said, “You don't think the employers should meet them while they're in the factories, do you?”