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CIO had been formed by them and the automobile workers had allied themselves with it. I appealed to Lewis and Sidney Hillman to inject themselves into it. This thing was now getting crazy. The United Automobile Workers were becoming unable to make reasonable decisions and control their people.

As a matter of fact, somethings had happened which are not even commonly known now. There had been some infiltration into the plants. This was quite a long time after this January 20th. There had been infiltration certainly in Flint, and probably in one or two other places, of utter strangers. This was a very terrible blow to Murphy. Murphy was about crazy when he discovered this. I remember Murphy saying to me on the telephone, “This is the worst thing that they have done. I can have sympathy with a man when he himself does what he thinks to be right. When all men persecute him, all mon denounce him and all men say he's wrong, if he himself in his own person bears the burden, bears the blame, bears the opprobrium, the discomfort, the danger and the hazards, doing it himself for a cause which he believes to be right and just, I can understand that and I can forgive what I think is his mistake and his folly, because there is no moral obliquity in it. But when he slides out and lets a substitute take his place, no longer himself standing up