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get them out. Murphy made a very good moral distinction when he said all that he did, and it shows the moral quality of the man. It shows the morally informed intellect under which he operated. He made an excellent distinction between the error of trespass and mortal sin of evading your responsibilities when you have done something that is not according to the interest of the community. It was a very fine moral distinction, and a very sound one, I think.

So we were very much disturbed about this infiltration. It was about that time that Murphy and I decided to appeal to the higher echelons of the CIO. After all, both Hillman and Lewis had good reputations for intelligence, calmness, success in negotiations, for discipline and for a sound outlook on what was right and wrong, what was practical and impractical. Their reputations were such that we felt that if they would interpose and get into it, you could get some kind of stability out of this matter. I personally asked them both to do it and assured them that Murphy wanted them. Then when he found they could come, he sent a telegram and invited them to come to the State House to see him. They began their operations in the State of Michigan at