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hadn't made the proposal, but could it be possible. What did I know? Well, I didn't know anything. Of course, Hillman was a bright fellow and he knew that I wasn't saying this to him without some hope.

Before the afternoon was over, Hillman had let me know that he thought it was worth exploring, and that the others thought it was. He hoped that I could move along in some way so that he, or some of the elder statesmen of the labor movement, could have a little conversation with someone in authority on the employer's side along these lines. I said, “I'll see what I can do.” At any rate, it was not too objectionable. It was something to begin on. I felt very pleased.

Then the telephone rang. It was Mr. Sloan. Mr. Sloan said, “I've been talking to somebody about that matter we talked about yesterday.”

I said, “Yes?”

He said, “I can't do that. That's all off. I'm not going to do anything of that kind.”

I said, “But, Mr. Sloan, you can't do that. You told me I could go ahead and make that proposal, without saying that you'd agreed to it. I haven't said that you would agree to anything, but I have made the proposal and