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was no agreement between the men as to what they really wanted, as to what they thought would be the best thing to do, or the best may to go at it. Which group of people that would appear had no relation to any other group of longshoremen. You couldn't, bring them together. They had no union allegiance to hold them together.

Finally, there came one day a group of men who said they came from pier number something-or-other of the Moore-McCormack Lane. The Moore-McCormack Line employers were among the more progressive and reasonable employers on the waterfront. There was by this time a waterfront employers' organisation. It had been in existence, I think, for a long time, but it was revived to sort of speak for the waterfront employers in this situation. For the most part Roger Lapham, the President of the American Hawaiian Line was its spokesman, although there were others who spoke up too. But Laphem was their principal spokesman. I think he was at that time the Chairman or President of the Waterfront Employers' Association.

Two lawyers, who were brothers, one of whom was a member of the Democratic National Committee, were the lawyers for the Waterfront Employers' Association. That