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So I asked the men if they knew Collins. They said they did, but that they didn't have anything to do with him. I asked them if they knew that he was forming a union. They said, “No, he's not forming any union. He's just moving around. If anybody has a grievance they go and see Collins, but there's nothing he can do about it. I guess he's trying to organize, but he hasn't got any following. He hasn't got any union.”

At any rate, as soon as Green heard these men were here, he had telephoned Collins and he came over either that night or early the next morning. He tried to say that he rep resented them, but they wouldn't hear of it. We got Green to come over and he stuck with the men. They recognized Green as the head of the AF of L. He couldn't do anything for them. He didn't know anything about the industry. But he tried to ease them along. The idea, of course, was to get them out of town as quickly as possible, because they were spending their money, or the money of their fellow workers, for no purpose at all, because they had no plan. But they wanted a code. They wanted justice. They wanted an end to these lay-offs, and so on.

The lay-offs were a great grievance because they