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is just memory of hearsay. So perhaps it wasn't the Third Internationale at all. It was one of these international bodies that had Communists from many countries in it and was something that had in some part of its documentation another clause which they used as evidence. I don't remember what that was, but they had it all marked out. The immigration fellows knew what that was and had it all marked out. This clause tended to support the idea that the overthrow of government by force and violence was at least acceptable to them. I don't remember what its words were. It didn't not say that membership reouired overthrow or that all members were engaged in it. My memory of it is that it was something like when all other means failed workers would establish by force and violent activities - “would” was the word used. It was a prediction that they would do certain things and that they would take over the government.

The immigration people didn't have much of anything else. They didn't have anything more recent, and they had almost nothing of American origin, except a speech of somebody or other. That, however, they thought sufficient. We began to think about the whole situation. This conversation with this man Bonham from Seattle was the first hint I had that there might be any evidence that