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things that they were recommending to him that Hoover wouldn't do. He thought there must be another side to it. In other words, he wanted a politically suspicious man. Cummings was very helpful to him at that time.

Then he asked Cummings to stay temporarily. I remember that when Homer first came to the Cabinet table, he introduced him to everybody and he said, “He's been very kind and very good and has indicated that he's willing to be Attorney General temporarily as a temporary arrangement until we can all think what the best thing to do it.”

I'm sure that Cummings, during these two years that he'd been Attorney General, had been helpful to him in many ways. I had never had any run-ins with him and I don't know that many people had. He was an amiable man, but not a great light.

However, on this court business the President listened to him. He was the Attorney General and the President listened. Cummings was pushing him into a position on this court fight which, if Roosevelt had been a better lawyer himself, he wouldn't have been pushed into. Roosevelt wasn't a good lawyer. I don't exonerate Roosevelt in this whole situation, except that knowing him as well as I do I feel sure that he