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said, “There's just one bridge I have to cross. I have to talk to the President of Yale.” He went back and then he telephoned me. He had seen the President of the university. This was just enough to push the President of the university over the line which he'd been thinking about for months that Yale should establish a Department of Industrial Relations and let Bakke head it up. So Bakke couldn't come to be chairman of the Labor Relations Board. He had to run this thing at the university.

Well, this happened over and over again, or something similar to that. A man would almost take it, and then he wouldn't. I suppose I still have a list somewhere of some of the people I called up, but I remember Miss Jay once telling me that I called up over two hundred people to fill three posts. She knew of over two hundred that I had called. Naturally that gets down fairly well below the well-known and distinguished persons when you call as many as two hundred.

Nobody wanted to do it. I saw very early that these people who talked about labor relations did not want to enter into a situation that looked as though it was going to verge on the controversial. Somebody was going to get to be unpopular. If you ruled against