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or break up a negotiation, or to mix things up. We had learned to call those people Communists. I wasn't quite sure what they were. They were Marxian in their philosophy, but just what they were I wasn't certain. They were the fellows who would rain a union if they could. Of course, both Dubinsky and Hillman had their fight with Communists in their union before I came to Washington. All I knew was that they were opposed to the general management of the union and were trying to make it something else.

However, as I saw it there, it seemed to me like a quarrel between the Socialists, who were quite dominant in Dubinsky and Hillman's unions, and a “come-cuter” group. I thought the Communists were a “come-outer” group of some sort. When the New England Protestant churches were breaking up and the Unitarians were getting started, they called those that left the church “come-outers”. That meant that they had the same religion, but a different way of looking at it. I thought that was what they were. I knew that they always broke up a meeting. You could tell when you had them in a negotiation of some sort. When there were some Communists in on a negotiation between the union and their employers, it always broke up. They