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for the automobile industry. That was the ostensible reason for seeing him. They had a lot of other grievances to air at the same time. Nobody knew anything about any of this group. In that group that came down, which I have previously described, I recognized amidst all the ignorance and unsophistication two or three men who were extremely sophisticated. They kept very quiet. They were with the group, and were unnoticeable, undistinguishable from the rest of the group, letting others do the talking, letting quite ignorant men who couldn't put their ideas together very well do the talking. They were quiet, but from their general appearance seemed alert. They didn't look like dumb, driven cattle at all. They were alert and obviously listening to everything, hearing everything, hearing what Johnson said, what I said, what other people said, what the President said in the last day when they got over to the White House. They never made a statement, but who, after this rumbling talk had been going on, would say, “I understood General Johnson to say when we first came in that he wanted to help us to organize the union.” They would bring it back to that point.