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in person. It's usually anywhere from twenty-four hours to three days. I gave her three days. In the meantime she had been suspended. She had returned from Chicago. They had gone to Chicago over a weekend and she was back on Monday.

Then, of course, she made objections. She tried to see me and I refused to see her. She saw Hinrichs and poor Hinrichs had the worst of it, of course. He had to deal with her. He had always liked her and thought she was one of the promising people in his department. He's a sensitive, conscientious, personally awfully kind and good man. This nearly killed him. It was like expelling a girl from school. I refused to see her because Hinrichs had signed the charges and it's very bad procedure for the Secretary to get involved and to see these people. Then everybody wants to see the Secretary. In the first place, I had to consider her reply, so I refused to see her at first. I think I did see her once. At first she just camped out on my door step trying to see me.

Then she appeared represented by a lawyer, a man who was employed by the War Labor Board, I think. He was affiliated with one of office Workers' Unions. He came down to see me. He just asked Miss Jay if he