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theory that you should spend more when the depression was on and revive your industry by public spending. There was always a group who didn't believe in that and thought it ought to be done another way. You got denunciations from that group, but on the whole you got a modified denunciation from them with regard to Roosevelt himself, as they admitted that they didn't know what would have happened if something hadn't been done to pull up the capacity of the American people to buy their own food, shelter and general supplies, keeping somehow some standard of living alive.

So as time went on it seemed to me that it was inevitable that the Democrats would look to nominating him. Paul McNutt was a contender and one heard about that. He seemed very lightweight to me, I may say, and I knew him quite well. He was handsome and impressive just to look at, but he was very empty actually. Behind that was almost nothing. He was terribly vain. He had a mind that could work, but vanity prevented him from working it. He was extraordinarily self-satisfied and smug. I don't know how he could have been that way, but he was. My memory of him is with a characteristic small smile on his face, that handsome face, with his head slightly lifted, his eyes looking