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with people. I said, “Now, you know, among other things, Farley likes Wallace, I think. For a man like Wallace to have learned to become a friend of Farley's is quite an achievement. Walker thinks a great deal of him. They're quite good friends. I think that indicates his ability to get on with politicians and to understand political reactions.”

This was at the time when McNutt's stock was running high. I said one thing and the President said, “You're absolutely right.” I said, “There's one thing I can say about Wallace. Wallace, if he comes with you, will be absolutely loyal. He will not knife you. He will not let you down. He will go with you to the end of the road. You don't have to have any fears of what he will do to forward himself. You don't have to have any fears of what he will do in Congress as the presiding officer of the Senate to perhaps build himself up. That I think we can settle on as being one of his personal characteristics.”

The President said, “Yes, that's ture.”

Of course, the President wasn't committed to him.

The only reason that the President and I could have had our telephone conversation from Chicago during the convention, in which he committed himself to Wallace, was