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frequently. He had a museum on Riverside Drive near Columbia. He had acquaintances all through the university. His museum was interesting if you were interested in the archaeology of the art, or the sociology of the East. I should have said that it was Franklin Giddings, who was a professor of sociology at Columbia University, and one of the librarians at Columbia University, whose name I don't remember now, but who was a very fine and able woman, who Introduced me to Roerich. Giddings was always referring his students of sociology to obscure collections of artifacts and objects that would illustrate the daily life, or the religious life, or the political life of obscure races and tribes. It was Giddings, I think, above all others, who first called my attention to the Myceneaen civilization and to the very meagre artifacts and even duplicates of such things as there are in the Metropolitan Museum, which were then put away in the cellar. You had to ask to have them gotten out to look at them.

Among other things I think he referred us to this museum of Roerich's as having certain artifacts that would interest us. He was lecturing on family life, tribal organization, the development into larger areas of family and tribal life. That was, I think, the first