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Of course, they were all, Lorena particularly, very, very emotional, very poor judgment people, except as to feeling. Lorena was a good judge as to what the prevailing feeling was, but was no judge of what the prevailing idea was. She got everything through her emotions. She didn't get anything through her reason. That was her temperament. Her feeling was - and I use the word “feeling” advisedly, although I don't approve of using it ordinarily - that it was very sour. She more or less agreed with Bob Allen, although I didn't toll her I had been in touch with Bob Allen, or what he had said. By the way, she's the kind of person that you wouldn't tell anything to that you didn't want spread. You could always kind of test an emotional situation by testing it on her. I do think that whatever the situation was out there in Chicago was emotional and not reasonable, whatever the sourness was it was emotional.

At any rate, I pretty soon made up my mind that I would speak to the President. I think I spoke to Ickes over the telephone about this. He, of course, was very sour. He said, “Oh yes, but they're just a bunch of bums. Why the President ever got mixed up with this bunch of bums, I don't understand. Everybody's selling everybody else down the river.” He was engaging in