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hard thing to bear. I remember seeing Mrs. Roosevelt take her hand, sort of hold her hand a while in a sympathetic gesture.

What Mrs. Roosevelt says she said to Jim and Jim said to her, and so forth, is probably correct. I wouldn't know that.

I remember Henry Wallace sitting there and I can never forget his face. He was stooped a bit forward. He was listening, all right, but his eyes were way off. You almost felt as if you could speak to him and he wouldn't notice you, wouldn't hear you. He had on a face of utter blank suffering. I remember thinking that his face and posture depicted the kind of suffering that a man in the Middle Ages being tried for some heresy which he couldn't understand might show.

It all reminded me of the legal proceedings against Joan of Arc. They were very elaborate legal proceedings. One has no idea of how many other people were tried in the same way, but we have a record of the proceedings against her. I always have felt, as I heard about people who were accused of crimes against the church and crimes against the state, that some of them hadn't done anything and couldn't understand what it was they were being tried for.