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approach you can give to anybody, man or woman. I saw them do it. I thought it was all right. I thought it was smart. I thought there were times when she would resent it, but I don't think she did because it opened to her new avenues of activity for herself.

Then she began doing these things in a big way, going to look-see at all kinds of things. She brought Hopkins very much into the President's intimate acquaintanceship, supporting him and pleading his cause at every point. Mrs. Roosevelt would support him on things if it ever came to a family discussion.

Then Hopkins came to live in the White House with Diana. That was her idea, not the President's. It was an act of charity towards both Harry and Diana. Then Hopkins was right there. In the first place he was always underfoot. From a housekeeper's point of view, or any woman's point of view, that's something. It's a burden to have company. Company becomes tiresome even to so broadminded a person as Mrs. Roosevelt. Then it began to be so easy for the President to consult him because he was right there. The President did consult him.

Harry had a low streak in him. When I say low, I mean just that. He could tell a dirty story, a smutty