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in the NRA, and the little picayune things that were coming up in the NRA, that he was probably glad to have it over. I really think that if the President had not felt desperate about it, he wouldn't have given in to Homer Cummings on that occasion. I always thought that Cummings was strong-headed. Cummings had rushed over to see him immediately and had told him it was all over. Cummings had given a statement to the press in which he said it was all over and we would proceed to liquidate the NRA. I got this cable from Wyzanski and got over to the White House the second day. I telephoned over to the White House and asked if I could come. I was told yes, that Cummings was there and that it was a good time to come. So I got over the second time that Cummings saw the President on the problem.

When I got there, Cummings was already there. Cummings is interesting looking. He has a long nose, a bald head, wears a pince nez, which never comes up to his eyes exactly, but because his nose is long rests half way between his eyes and his mouth. It's a fairly small pince nez. He would look over it at you, and then he would look through it at the papers. It served him, I suppose, as a kind of bifocal. I daresay that he saw all right without glasses for distance work, but