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that they had met. I assumed that they would have the same kind of friendship with each other that I would have, for instance, with Cy Ching, or Marion Folsom, who was president of Eastman Kodak. We began to like each other and trust each other on conferences. I thought it was that kind of friendship that grows up. I had supposed that it existed between Wickard and Wallace - not intimate, not “one band of brothers we all stand together” kind of thing, but a friendship based upon a working relationship, conference relationship and probably a similar point of view, a similar solution as a theoretical solution for farmers problems.

I don't know that that's so, but to this day I would say that they must have known each other well. I didn't see them together. I drew the inference from Wallace must have said from time to time.

Wickard made an impression in Washington outside of circles that were surely agricultural. People who went to deal with AAA about legislation, or some cooperation, or some such thing, often met Wickard, I think, because I seem to remember people saying, “He's a very sensible man. He knows now to do things. He's a straight-shooter. He doesn't pull the wool over your eyes.” It was that kind of thing. That was just