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to the people who had to operate the agency.
I realized almost immediately that Wickard had an enormous affection, admiration and appreciation for Roosevelt. There seemed to be no question about that. As I said, he gave me the impression of being totally loyal to the President. That was based on a real affection and considerable amount of understanding, although he would sometimes say to me after a Cabinet meeting, “The President's a very strange person. You never quite know what he means, do you? He's got some deep thoughts that I don't understand” - that sort of thing as though he studied the President a good deal and didn't fully comprehend him. Whether he fully approved of him or not, I don't know, but I thought he did. If he didn't fully approve of him it was only because there were areas where he didn't fully understand him. That would have been my guess.
I haven't any idea about the President's feeling for Wickard. He was always amiable towards him. The President never said to me or in my presence anything that would indicate that he had less than full confidence in Wickard. He always spoke of him warmth and confidence - “Wickard says. . ..”, or, “Why don't you talk to Claude about that?” It was that sort of thing.
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