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us. The President would laugh and chuckle and seemed very amiably disposed to Wickard. Wickard would pipe up with something occasionally that would correct the view. The President didn't that kind of thing if it was not mean-spirited. He enjoyed it. He thought it was sensible and he liked being taken down and having things out down to scale. He sort of trusted other people to do it.

I never saw Jesse Jones do anything in Cabinet Scoting that made the President mad, but he used to say things outside that reached the President that made him mad. Jones was also one of the people who would occasionally toss a thing back to the President and put another light on it.

I think Wickard got along well with everybody in the Cabinet. I didn't observe him, at least, not getting along well with anyone. Of course, Henry Morgenthau never paid any attention to anybody. Everybody else at the Cabinet table might just us well have been a wooden dummy so far as Henry Morgenthau was concerned. Just once, in all the years I was in that Cabinet, did I never sea a gleam of human recognition from Henry Morgenthau. That was on one occasion when the President was called out of the room. It was in the early days