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guessed he was seventy, but I don't believe he was. He's much older than I am. I thought he was about seventy in 1933 or '4, but having lived until '54, twenty years more, I doubt if he was seventy then. He looked old and was certainly deep in his sixties. He's a very old man now, 1954.

When we come to Jones being separated from the government later on, there's a lot to be said for Jones. I'll get into the later. In this period, 1940, he was certainly on good terms with the President, was certainly well trusted by everybody, although there was kind of a little to make a few cents on every deal. That was never done in any accusation that he was given to sharp practice. It was just a little family joke that indicated that that was his little foible. He was amiable about it.

Jones had done a great deal in the business world in leading money very perceptively. He had an intuitive understanding of business a situations and of possibilities for expansion. I doubt if very many shady characters and shady businesses, crookedly conducted, and not ever able to make a profit, every got any money from him - very few of them. He had an excellent quality of judgment about what could be done.