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Of course, the veterans organizations used to attack me for other things later on, chiefly because I presided over the Immigration Service and there were still a number of immigrants who came to the United States and many of the veterans' organizations believed that we shouldn't have any more immigrants. But that was another matter.

Johnson was a man of ability, although a very mysterious man. I never did understand him. It was agreed between Jim Farley, the President, and the Powers that be somewhere, that Johnson should come into the War Department as Assistant Secretary. To this day I don't know what Johnson is made of. I always felt that. I felt it when he was inaugurated and installed as Secretary of Defense in the Truman administration, and I felt it when he went out in a kind of disgrace. I felt it when he was opposing me in '33 and '34 about the veterans employment. There was always this queer mystery about him. I felt that when he was Assistant Secretary to Woodring. I may be all wrong, but I've always felt there was something very strange about him. I never understood him at all. That doesn't mean that I necessarily mistrusted him. It was just that he was a person whom I couldn't understand. I never felt that