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He said, “Do you still feel that way about Witt?”

I said, “Yes, Henry, I do, and more and more as time has gone on. Surely you have noticed some of the things he has said.”

“Yes,” he said, “I've noticed. I think you probably were right even then, but I don't know how you sensed it.”

I said, “The only way I sensed it is that I had seen Communists perform in New York. I just knew they had a technique. I didn't know what their objectives were or what their purposes were, but I knew that as a group they had a technique of mixing things up, delaying things and distorting projects so that if they were on a committee or in a conference, they would always keep the conference from coming to any satisfactory or amiable conclusions about the simplest things. They were out every group into which they got. They way you would pick them out as Communists, when they were perfectly reputable people that you didn't know, was that they did that kind of thing. You would say, ‘It must be one of those wretched Communists. He's trying to bawl this situation up.’

“That was the only way I recognized him. I didn't know anything about him. I never say an FBI report on him or anything else. I judged him by his behavior. I never would have made a public accusation about him because I had no