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Q:

How about Casablanca?

Perkins:

Yes, he discussed Casablanca very well, I thought. And he discussed Winston, and he discussed DeGaulle and what he thought of him and how he behaved, and what was that other tall Frenchman they brought over, you know - the man who got out of prison? Giraud, yes - General Giraud, and the business of President Roosevelt making a hero -

But this is the earlier conference. This is Casablanca. Cairo, at the same time, and there he met Chiang and Madame Chiang. Didn't they stop there on their way to Teheran? They were on their way to Teheran, and they stopped at Casablanca, and that was where they attempted to make peace between the warring factions of the French - DeGaulle and Giraud being the participants, and Admiral Darlan.

Now Darlan has always been kind of a mystery to me. I yet don't altogether know all that happened. I heard a good deal about that episode. I've even heard Julius Holmes's account of how he waded ashore with secret instructions hidden in a tin canteen, that would just look like a soldier's canteen. They beached the boat. He had to jump from the boat into half shallow water, but he was up to his waist in water, and they waded ashore in a place where there





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