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the best American specialists.

Now, this was during wartime. How they did it, I don't know, but there had been a personal connection there on account of the child's having polio, you see. The President did not see Darlan, but Julius Holmes took secret instructions to Darlan and waded ashore somewhere on the coast of North Africa to reach him. I lost the thread there because I never got a connected story. And I never pried. If somebody told me part of a story, I never pried to get the rest of it, because I thought they were probably slightly indiscreet to tell me at all.

But when Roosevelt was at Casablanca, certainly the principal object there was to make peace between DeGaulle and the rest of the French - the fest of the French who were regarded as fully loyal and fully free French, you see. That was why Giraud who had escaped from prison and was in some safe place, was brought to North Africa.

Does Marcel Peyrouton mean anything to you?

I know I've heard it but I don't get any - I remember what Roosevelt said. Let me think about this. I remember quite a lot about that North Africa thing which he described to us. He either told us in Cabinet meeting or told me privately. They got DeGaulle and Giraud to shake