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on his own, after negotiating with Bevin who was the Foreign Minister, in later years - I mean, he just displayed this curious irresponsibility. Bevin was the most annoyed and hurt and bewildered man I ever saw. He asked me, because he knew me, “What kind of a fellow is this? What am I dealing with? Can I rely on him? Can I trust him? Here he was here with me yesterday morning, and not one word of any plan. And I read in the morning paper he's gone to Moscow to do a little private politicking!”

Byrnes had a curious reliance upon himself, you know, to do the little private politicking, and he often got confused between his political judgments and his intellectual and moral judgment - I mean, he tended to think one was the other. He didn't really distinguish them.

Q:

Was Byrnes a stable operating person?

Perkins:

Well, I don't know. He had very little experience at operations.

Q:

Along this line of judgments, would he make objective judgements of any sort, or would they be purely subjective?

Perkins:

No, I don't think they were objective judgments, ever. I think that they were subjective and based upon very





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