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He was very tender about her, also. He was very tender in every one of his family relationships. Kathryn went to Bryn Mawr College, and she got ill there, and had to leave college, I guess, in her second year, and was under some kind of treatment by some physician in New York for some time. He was very sensitive of her, and helpful to her.

I remember that I was holding a conference. I can't remember what year it was or who was at it, because there were certainly a good many labor people and there were some employer people. But conference was on matters that were not in dispute between them. Oh, I know--I was trying to interest them all in programs of safety and health in industry, on which they could agree. I was trying to find a common ground of agreement, because it was a question of what kind of a ventilator would you put in, and how would you prevent this kind of poisoning or another. it was an interesting conference of two days.

Lewis called me up and asked me if he might bring his daughter Kathryn. He thought she would be interested. Well, I had never met her before. He brought her to the conferences and she sat beside him. She was a pleasant and agreeable girl. I knew she'd been ill, and I knew she'd been at Bryn Mawr. I spoke with her afterwards, and so forth.

A short time after that, he asked me to give her a job in the Department of Labor, and we did. We found a job