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Frances Perkins - Interview 93, side 2 - 2 May, 1955 - This interview taken on a tape-recorder.

I've heard it said also that Lewis believed in principle, identified himself with principle and the principle with himself, but albeit this, he was sane enough that he always knew where to stop to save himself, rather than going over the precipice, if the principle was going over the precipice.

Oh, yes. Certainly.

I suppose this led to the word “opportunist.”

Yes, but to know when to stop is something that a man learns by experience. Now Lewis, you see, learned by bitter experience in the Jacksonville Agreement, when he stuck by a principle which was going over the precipice, and went with it. I mean, he lost everything, and pretty nearly lost the United Mine Workers in that. That was long before I knew him, and whatever knowledge there was in that he had absorbed, and I expect that it was something like what you've just said: that you've got to live to fight another day. You can't stick to the principle when the principle is going down.

In short, he wasn't a gone, true believer.