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and say not a word, look very glowering and sour, and knew that what he wanted was to be asked alone or with one other person. The President occasionally did it.

At any rate, there came to be quite a rapprochement, and the President flattered him a little, I think. Then came the time when Lewis asked for an appointment in the evening. Now, I didn't know anything about this. This was probably in the spring of '40. Yes, it must have been then. We'll say March. It was early still.

He was invited to come to the White House of a certain evening, and he went over. The President told me this story the day after it happened, and he told it to Dan Tobin, the President of the Teamsters' Union, about a week after it happened.

Lewis went up to the President's study. They engaged in some little superficial conversation, and then Lewis broached the matter of the coming campaign, and said that he thought the President ought to run again--that he ought to run for the third term. The President of course parried. He hadn't made up his mind. He was still thinking of it, and he didn't know. He thought it was a bad idea. He thought that the idea of a third term was very unfortunate, and it was against the tradition of the country, and that there were political reasons against it; that it didn't give the young men coming up in the party a chance to