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Well, the President told this to Dan Tobin a week after he told it to me, and Dan Tobin came bouncing over to see me, “What do you think of that? The impertinence, the ridiculousness--who does John L. Lewis think he is? Why, can you beat a thing like that! Did you ever hearof a thing like that!”

Of course, he just denounced John L. Lewis on principle, you know. It wasn't that it was impossible. “But,” he said, John L. Lewis isn't even a Democrat!”

Dan Tobin was a good Democrat, you see--he was a real Democrat. I said, “I know. That's one of the problems today, is to make people realize that you don't get nominated unless you belong to the party.”

He said, “John L. Lewis isn't even a Democrat, he never has been a Democrat, he's always been a Republican.”

He was mad at Hoover because Hoover wouldn't appoint him Secretary of Labor. That's what he was mad at Hoover about. He was a Republican. He expected appointment from Herbert Hoover. Dan said, “Oh, this is too quick a change. This is ridiculous. And what an impertinent thing to do! What an idea! Doesn't he know that the party does the nominating? The President doesn't pick his candidates.”

Did Lewis allude to it at the Convention?

No. I'm pretty sure that at the period when I saw him