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and we could go ahead and take in the unorganized, and make a great movement to organize the unorganized.”

That was the phrase. Well, that began with Hillman. He was very restive. Now, I'm sure that Lewis was probably not the original thinking part of the plot, of the plan. But he was disgruntled because they gave him the cold shoulder. Although they'd taken him on the Executive Committee, they cold shouldered him, and there was jealousy. After all, William Green was a miner, and Lewis thought that William Green ought to listen to him and not to the other fellows on the Executive Committee.

What's the name of that fellow he knocked down? Bill Hutcheson. He and Bill Hutcheson had been colleagues and had worked together, and then they had also fallen apart and gotten into great scraps with each other, for a long time. They were both violent types in certain ways. Lewis began to think that Green paid too much attention to Hutcheson. He listened to Hutcheson, who was the head of the principal building trades, you see, and he tried to speak for all the building trades. Lewis was always sore at Green because Green didn't come along with him.

Then Hillman began talking. Hillman and Lewis met, I think for the first time, in the N.R.A. Of course I've described how the N.R.A. Labor Committee was formed, and how I picked them out. In my innocence, I picked Lewis and I picked