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in a Chippendale type armchair right up in front of the desk. He of course is the opposite type from Frank Knox. Cordell Hull, however angry he may be, has a calm, cool, almost cold exterior. He's capable of great anger, but the more angry he is the colder he gets on the outside, and the quieter he gets. When very angry, he speaks in a very low, almost inaudible voice, whereas Frank Knox was the physically active type. When angry or disturbed, he would buzz around, move his hands, move his head. His face would grow red. The flushes would go up and down. He would talk a lot. His voice would tend to rise in tone and in quality, pitched higher and louder. The exact opposite from this cold, white-haired, pale person sitting in the chair. Hull had his fingers together, as he so often did, and he looked as gloomy as you could possibly be. I never have known what went on in Hull's mind, because he was the kind of person who never sat down and revealed things to you, except very occasionally when you had some dealing with him about a matter. Then he would open up and say how he felt about a thing, as well as what he knew about the situation.

I said to myself, “Hull seems calm.”

I didn't see Henry Stimson immediately. I realized later that he was there and had been there for a long time, but he was in the other room. They had extra phones in there, or extra communications machinery and he was apparently working on that, or even writing out something, trying to