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industries. They always did work that way, and they saw no reason why they shouldn't. “The thing to do is just deny them the supplies, and order them out of business.”

Eventually they did that. But that could have been done. You spot that industry. How many men are employed in it? It's ridiculous. They ought to be working over in New Jersey. They don't want to go to New Jersey. Well, they'll go to New Jersey. If their work is out off in the lampshade factory in New York City, you won't have to tell ‘em to go to New Jersey. They'll find the work that they want to do, and they'll find the work at a location they can get to without too much trouble and travel. They will go where there is work, when there is no work in the factory they're accustomed to.

How did McNutt's name ever come up?

That was a long drawn out affair. You see, before we got to the point of selecting the man, the President was one time this way, one time that way. He finally did what was an odd thing to do, and I never knew it to happen before. He said he couldn't settle the question, I'm sure we harrassed him by keeping at him and nagging him, and seeing him publicly and seeing him privately, and seeing him together and seeing him publicly. And he said, “Well, I cannot settle this. This is just beyond me. I can't take