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I'd like to refer to an episode in the context of the drug situation. It happened so recently that technically perhaps it ought not to be in an historical interview, but I believe it was two or three weeks ago Jesse Jackson spoke in a school-- or within two or three weeks-- down in Washington. Apparently it was scheduled, he was going to congratulate one of their sports teams on a marvelous victory. But he changed. He did give them congratulations, but rather briefly. And then he got on the drug problem, and using-- I don't know whether Baptist ministers or the church he belongs to use this style generally, but it reminded me of what I have seen Billy Graham do when he calls people up to make a decision. That's for Christ, of course, in that case. Jesse Jackson asked anyone or everyone in that student body, who had tried drugs or was on drugs, to come forward, and said that he had the assurances of the school principal that they would not be punished for it. And it was a remarkable response apparently, so much that the [WASHINGTON] POST was shortly editorializing about it. Many of them did come up and apparently were bothered. Would you have any comments on that type of episode? Can somebody like Jesse Jackson be effective, do you suppose, in combating drugs?

Well, first let me say that, as you know, I've been an academician all my life, and one of my problems and difficulties is an recognition that methods and techniques of communication are limited, and the academic's training does not help him to