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relations effect. I must say, though, it was a matter of just a few months after the march that there was the bombing of the church in Birmingham, which really disturbed me terribly.

You said you were in Europe when the march took place and you saw it on television. Was that live in Europe?

I don't know whether it was live or not. We were visiting a friend who was in charge of Jewish refugees. He invited us to his home to see it.

Were you aware or did you become aware of the fact that there was tremendous foreign coverage of that march?

Oh yes. In fact, it was being discussed in France, and I presume in England too. That's why he invited us up to see it on French television.

You said that there was a positive public relations impact of the march. Was it your impression that that was because they brought it off, and did so so orderly.

Yes, and its success both in quantity and in quality.

It was around a third of a million people.

That's right. And it came off without any violence. The