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the editorial board has decided to do an editorial.” I said, “So what will they do?” He says, “You're meeting with him, you're talking to Wyclif? Keep talking to Don.”

Before that -- it came out just about the same time as the Raskin op- ed piece. It came out on the Saturday Raskin came out. When the election was going on -- see, we were getting daily results, and it looked like we might win.

Daily results meaning --

Every day, you know, they count the ballots. (The election ran for ten days). At the end of the day, the total. [tape stops and starts] There was a tally made at the end of the day that was announced, the vote. So it was a tentative tally, it was not the official tally. We kept them. At the headquarters we had a big, you know how you keep it. We were running well, and we became very optimistic that we could win. Bob had this thing down to a science, you know, with all the estimates and what was still to come here and there and there and how we would do there, and we needed to get forty percent here and thirty percent there. You know, it was all being worked on with lots of people out in the field. To cover all these institutions, you know, you must have about 150 people who took their vacations at this time, rank and filers, to be involved in this thing. It was like a feeling of smelling blood. I decided after the first day that we start now to go ahead, look after the election, because we anticipated that there was going to be a real problem if we won. So I called Raskin, and said, “Abe, I think we're going to do a fantastic thing here.” “Yes, yes, yes.”

I'm not sure -- are they tallying the ballots, or are they actually voting?

Voting.

Voting was stretched out over a long period of time?

Like a week and a half. Raskin said he would be interested, and I said, “Look, I'll come over to your house.” Now remember I had a meeting at 7:30 in the morning at the headquarters with Bob, Georgiana, and Dennis to discuss a whole series of things that we had to do, looking in the next couple of days. At the same time I raised that “I'm going to see Raskin, and I'm playing it this way.” Then I left to go over to Raskin, and I went over everything with him. I brought him stacks of stuff and began to outline an approach. The investigation of one of the Teamsters was going to take place -- you know, that was