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When Dave White came forward, I used to go to Bill Lynch to discuss it with him as to what to do, and help us getting it around kind of thing.

So that was one area. Now let me tell you two other areas that are interesting. One is, at one point close to the election [interview interrupted; tape stops and starts]. Turner's strategy of not talking to the press -- here she had Victor Kamber in there, with the International Union paying his fees.

Is that legal?

He was supposedly working on the convention. So Kamber is there with four people, working to try to redress her image. Oh! There's another thing on the five percent I gotta tell you. She has another p.r. guy who is getting, we now know, sixty thousand dollars a year. His function was to say, “No comment.” I forget his name. Black man, doing her p.r. She had a couple of p.r. people, and Kamber. They're trying to convince her that “We've got to talk to the press.” She finally decides that she's going to hold a press conference. I learn of it at five o'clock. Five o'clock Margie Anders at AP calls me and says, “You know, Doris has got a press conference tomorrow?” “Press conference? What's going on?” She said, “I don't know. At headquarters.” I figured, she's got a press conference she must be announcing a bomb -- five percent. That bothered me. Then, you know, Pat Clark tells me there's a press conference. I call some guy, he doesn't know. I say, “I'm telling you, there's a press conference.”

I started calling people at home and saying to them, “Look, at this press conference, you have all the stuff. Ask her the tough questions. But by all means get her angry. Get her angry, and you'll have a good time.” I called the guy who wrote for the Voice -- remember that long thing for the Voice? He also ran the thing for The Guardian.

Bob Sanders.

Bob Sanders. He did his masters thesis for Judy Serrin on this situation. I called him, he says, “Look, I have to go to school tomorrow.” I said, “Look, Bob. Tomorrow do me a favor. Don't go to school. Go there. You've got all the stuff about the stealing, and stuff” -- because he had more than everybody else, because the Voice you can run forever. “Get her angry, get her angry. And take her!”

Meanwhile back at the ranch, this is what had happened. I had decided at one stage -- I kept asking people, “Is Georgiana ready for it?” They said, “Ready for what?” I said, “Is she ready for Gil Noble's ‘Like It Is’.” They said, “Yes, she is.” So I said, “I'm going to see if I can't get her