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was as if I had never had a father, because my mother never referred to a father, anyway. Now that I look back on it, I wonder to myself why I didn't I ask more about who's my father and where is my father. But it was as if I'd never had a father, just completely evaporated--interesting that that can take place. My sister did occasionally see my father, my sister being five or six years older than I. I forget just where and when, but she did see him.

What was the religion of both of your parents?

Presbyterians.

Were they religious?

No.

Okay, let's go on. We'll come back to your father and what he did in those years and to your mother, but you got to Lausanne and stayed there from 1925 to 1928, and that's where you had some formal schooling?

Oh, yes, some formal schooling! I went to a Swiss school. [laugher] That's tough. I'm glad you know. I went to a Swiss school and I think at the age of nine they started doing algebra, Latin, and everything!

And you must have been behind your classmates.