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[interrupts] No, no--wait a minute--No, no, I'm sorry, I've got the chronology wrong. I left Lausanne in 1928 and I spent three years in Lausanne, so I left Germany in 1924 or 1925. Then I went to Lausanne. There I finally did go to school.

But before we get to that, so when you left Germany you were ten?

I was nine.

Other than hearing about these crazy people, do you remember anything else, impressions of what was going on politically, or discussions in your house, or at the hotel?

At the hotel. No, these are the impressions that somehow stuck with me.

Did you see you father in all those years?

Never.

When's the last time you saw your father?

The last time I saw my father was probably in Capri in 1920 when we went back--but fleetingly. I never saw him again until the 1950s, sometime in the 1950s in Paris--and then I saw him only a few times until his death. But they just separated completely. It