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corporate board. Is that incorrect?

Well, how do you run a board? I mean, you do your best to get away with whatever murder you can, that's about all. If you call that running a board, fine. But I don't take boards that seriously.

Okay. We're going to talk about the board at length. But did any of the corporate C.E.O.s on your board have any problems with this corporate structure?

Oh, yes, they did.

Was there a succession committee, in fact, or were you dealing with the board in general?

No, I dealt with the board as a whole.

You did not have a succession committee.

No.

So when you say you dealt with the board as a whole, would you basically have lunch with Tom Watson, or a couple of other people--talk to them separately on the phone--or would you have a discussion at a board meeting about this?

I'd have discussions at board meetings. I would have