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The fact is: I went to the Sloan's supermarket on 8th Street maybe six months ago -- I was buying something; that's the market I use -- and one of the checkers was a young woman in her early twenties, white. And the manager, who knows me, just happened to come over and be said to this checker, “Do you know who this is?” She said, “No.” He said, “This is Congressman Koch -- he's the Congressman in this district.” And she said, “You're Congressman Koch?” I said, “Yes,” She said, “I'm Ukrainian.” My mother loves you. She says you're good enough to be Ukrainian.” (laughs) Isn't that nice? I think it is.

I wonder if I could get one more comment on this ethnic side. Herman Badillo has actually told me -- and I've heard this elsewhere -- that he campaigns on this basis: it's “Bah-dee-yo” when he's in the Hispanic sections and “Bah-dilio” when he goes into Italian sections. And it's “Herman” when be goes into the Jewish sections.

(laughs) I don't doubt it, I don't doubt it. I don't think people are fooled by that. The Italians know who's Italian and who's Puerto-Rican. So he's not going to kid them on that.

But that strategy, though, is not the same as your strategy.