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I'm getting far more publicity than they are simply because I come out of the Village and I had defeated DeSapio. It's something I've always had to contend with. My confreres in the district leadership just didn't like me. I was always sort of a hair shirt in that regard. I mean I'm very likeable (laughs), but they didn't like me. I spoke my mind. They didn't like it. And they didn't like the VID -- I guess that's part of it, too -- and here they're very much involved in patronage and the VID by its code cannot get involved in patraonage. I've changed my position on that, but at that time I was as tough on that as the toughest person in the VID.

But in any event, I got screwed and I was not nominated, and they gave it to Fred Berman, again a richie type, and he won. He beat MacNeil Mitchell.

The reason I couldn't get it, by the way, was -- isn't that interesting? -- that the Liberal party did not give me their nomination and had told Eddie Costikyan, who was for me, that the Liberal party would not give it to me -- they would give it to Berman -- and that made the decision as to who would be the Democratic candidate, because you could not win without the Liberal party endorsement for that particular position on the east side as State Senator. You still can't. That position is still held by a Republican even though Berman held it for two years. I think the major campaign issue there was that MacNeil Mitchell had supported Barry Goldwater in 1964 against