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then what we plotted at the club was: I would go over to Jim Delaney's. Lanigan has to walk down Fourth Street to get there. I mean we knew where he lived and how he would get there, and they would look out the window (Carol Greitzer and I think Ed Gold was there, too; Sara Schoenkopf certainly was), and then when they saw him enter Jim Delaney's, they would come in, too. So that was the plot.

So I went over to Jim Delaney's (it's closed now, by the way) and sat down at a table, and at about midnight, just on time, Lanigan walks in with his wife Mary. I mean I was their friend; they were my friends; I'd been to their house; I'd helped them; I really had what I considered to be a good relationship with them. In any event, he sits down and immediately in walk Carol Greitzer and Sara Schoenkopf and they sit down on the same bench, and he can't get out. And he is shocked, but he doesn't say much.

They say, “Look, Jim, we need your help.”

He said, “Well, Ed, I'm of a different breed.” This is a paraphrase of what he said. “I'm of a different breed, and these are the people that I relate to -- Lehman and Wagner -- and I just can't do anything that would be against them.”

So I said, “I understand that, Jim, and we don't want you to do anything against them. All we want you to do is not do